tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1877303688216595760.post7525057999087024018..comments2023-11-06T17:18:16.671-05:00Comments on End Times Studies: The Second Coming of Christ Pt. 2Conniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1877303688216595760.post-44496573768126200632009-08-07T09:18:43.118-04:002009-08-07T09:18:43.118-04:00"What makes you think God is speaking to the ..."What makes you think God is speaking to the church here? ....We will be in heaven."<br /><br />I thought I made the answer to that perfectly clear before, but maybe I was not clear enough. I think you need to reread it as I believe I answered those questions, but I will try again. Christ is speaking to the disciples who were BELIEVERS. He is speaking to BELIEVERS. It so happens that BELIEVERS are now called the church. The New Testament was written to BELIEVERS. Where did Christ say we will be in heaven? I don't see that until the end where he gathers the elect. I think I understand why you have trouble accepting this. You (as I was) were taught the dispensations. You are all hung up in the thought that there is this distinct line of demarcation between God's dealing with the Jews and the church. There isn't that clear of a line. You are treating the disciples as only being Jews, but you are conveniently forgetting that they are also Christians. If not in name at the time, in belief. What would you have done if one of them had just happened to be a Gentile? Remember one of the apostles was born and raised as a Greek, Timothy. Paul had to circumcise him because of the Jews. If you recall it took forty years after Christ's crucifixion before God saw fit to make it impossible for the Jews to worship at the temple. There was a time of transition. And how can you honestly believe that we are not going to suffer for Christ considering how apostate the church is? Or is it that the terminology is bothering you.? Are you equating the Day of the Lord's wrath with the tribulation and 70th week, as I mentioned that position does? If you just take the time to really study it, you will see that those three things are NOT the same thing. And I think I am clearly and scripturally showing that. And that makes all the difference.<br /><br />You have made the comment that the church was a mystery. It was a mystery in the Old Testament, so of course the tribulation couldn't be referred to as a time of tribulation for the church also. At that time God could only reference it in a way they would understand. By Christ renaming it, and further what He said in Matthew, it is clear that He is now giving new revelation that the Christians would be included in that time. To say that the church was a mystery in the O.T. and therefore Jacob's trouble doesn't apply to them is the same as saying that salvation is for the Jews alone, because the church isn't mentioned in the O.T. Would you say that is the case?<br /><br />Let me ask you a few more questions. You are so very sure you won't be here. For your sake I will say "hypothetically" even though I believe it to be a fact, what would you do if a temple went up and you were still here? What about if suddenly some guy took over that temple proclaiming himself God and you were still here? Would you believe there was no pre-trib rapture then? Or would you believe there was something else going on and that it really wasn't the 70th week and tribulation? Hypothetically that is. Would you accept you were wrong and prepare to die, or would you deny that it was what it appeared to be? I'm just curious.Conniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16624728134929059941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1877303688216595760.post-60744440983830885472009-06-28T18:53:26.115-04:002009-06-28T18:53:26.115-04:00"3rd warning: Again Christ has told us before..."3rd warning: Again Christ has told us beforehand to not be deceived. Again I have to ask, how on earth can we be deceived if we don't have to worry about being here?"<br /><br />What makes you think God is speaking to the church here? We will be in heaven!! But as soon as we are gone, many more will turn to Christ. Not to mention, Jesus was speaking to Jews about the end of their age, so it is, for the most part, the Jews that will or might be deceived. Remember, they are still looking for the Christ.<br /><br />lecooplecoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10023999327476642043noreply@blogger.com